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Seeking help w/open queue problems Bugs
By ip4noman , Section Code []
Posted on Sun Nov 24, 2002 at 12:00:00 PM PST
We've just converted http://www.Smokedot.org to open queue. But some things are not working right.

I've posted this to scoop-help, but received no response.

Here is our version information:

  $scoop_env{Version}     = 'scoop-1_0-dev';
  $scoop_env{Date}        = '$Date: 2002/09/08 23:50:47 $';
  $scoop_env{Revision}    = '$Revision: 1.510 $';

Here are our present settings of relevant VARs:

  auto_post_use_time = 0
  use_auto_post = 0
  auto_post_floor = 0
  auto_post_front_page = 4
  auto_post_max_minutes = 10080 (1 week)
  auto_post_min_ratings = 0
  auto_post_section = 3.25
  hide_story_threshold = -10
  post_story_threshold = 20

First: Autopost weirdness
--------------------------

Now, even with use_auto_post=0, stories which exceed post_story_threshold do get auto-posted (auto meaning without editor intervention), and stories which fall below hide_story_threshold get hidden.  This is not intuitive.  I think a better explaination of use_auto_post is in order. What exactly does it do?

Now, I want to enable the K5 time-limit in queue behaviour. When I first tried this (with many old stories in the queue, most were probably older than auto_post_max_minutes), and with the following settings:

    use_auto_post=1
    auto_post_use_time=1
    auto_post_max_minutes = default (36 hours)

I observed that any vote, +1 or -1, would cause a story to be hidden (displaystatus=-2)!

Can anyone explain this?

I want to now enable the time-limit-in-submission-queue, but I want to be sure I get this right.  Also, can anyone (Rusty?) share with us the values which K5 uses for all of the above VARs?

Second: Edit queue not working
-------------------------------

What are the VARs needed to enable the Edit queue? It's not working, and I can't find a VAR which is "enable edit queue". Just these:

    queue_edit_max_time=2h
    max_edit_stories=1

Are there group perms that need to be changed? I am in a group with all perms enabled, but I don't see the "allow story to go to edit queue" checkbox when I submit a story.

Related link:
http://scoop.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/5/7/3235/07813/3#3

Third: Can't post editorial comments
-------------------------------------

There appears to be a bug regarding editorial vs. topical comments in the queue. On K5, you must select one or the other, and are prompted to do so if you forget. On Smokedot, no matter what you select, or if you don't select anything, the comment is posted as topical.

Fourth: Anti-spam flags and edit catagories??
---------------------------------------------

Can we have a better explaination of the effects of the following VARs:

   use_edit_categories=0
   use_anti_spam=1
   spam_votes_percentage=0.25
   spam_votes_threshold=100

I think these may be Adequacy features, but would like an explaination for those of us who never went there. (I see no effect under my present setings).

Thanks,
Bill Huston

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Seeking help w/open queue problems | 16 comments (16 topical, 0 hidden)
Some partial answers (none / 0) (#1)
by janra on Sun Nov 24, 2002 at 12:07:46 PM PST

Now, even with use_auto_post=0, stories which exceed post_story_threshold do get auto-posted (auto meaning without editor intervention), and stories which fall below hide_story_threshold get hidden. This is not intuitive. I think a better explaination of use_auto_post is in order. What exactly does it do?

"auto post" is the time-limit posting, as opposed to regular posting which depends entirely on the current score. An open queue shouldn't need admin intervention.

There appears to be a bug regarding editorial vs. topical comments in the queue. On K5, you must select one or the other, and are prompted to do so if you forget. On Smokedot, no matter what you select, or if you don't select anything, the comment is posted as topical.

I've noticed this too, on my scoop site. I also haven't gotten an answer from scoop-help yet...

Can we have a better explaination of the effects of the following VARs:
use_edit_categories=0
use_anti_spam=1
spam_votes_percentage=0.25
spam_votes_threshold=100

The first is an Adequacy feature; the other three are for preventing abuse of the edit queue, by allowing people other than the author or the timeout to kick a story out of edit and into the voting queue.


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explanation of VARs (none / 0) (#3)
by theantix on Mon Nov 25, 2002 at 09:31:10 AM PST

use_edit_categories
If you'd like you could consider this an "adequacy" feature but since that's not functioning now it would be better to think of it at a tool for a closed editorial queue.  It allows the editors to have a way to classify unpublished articles in the queue in a user-defined fashion.

use_anti_spam
This is the much-requested feature that lets users mark articles in the queue as spam.  It depends on the following two VARs to work.

spam_votes_percentage
This is the % of viewers required to press the "SPAM" button in order for it to drop the article into normal voting moderation.  This VAR isn't used until the # of spam votes hits the threshold in the next VAR.

spam_votes_threshold
Since a percentage alone could be open for abuse, there is also a raw threshold on the number of votes required.  A setting of 100 means that 100 people have to mark something as spam before it would consider the vote percentage.

I notice that all four of these were written by me, which is probably a good sign that I need to write more documentation.



Edit queue now works. (none / 0) (#5)
by ip4noman on Tue Nov 26, 2002 at 07:50:18 AM PST

I discovered the answer was as theantix mentions here: http://scoop.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/5/7/3235/07813/3#3 But it took reading the source to discover that it only works for non-admins. Doh.

Also, "user_box" as supplied (and on the SBE) need to be modified. Here is my suggestion:

my $content;
if ($S->{UID} > 0) { if ($S->have_perm('moderate')) { my ($nstories, $tstories, $estories) = $S->_count_new_sub(); my $color = '<FONT COLOR="#FF0000"><B>'; my $ecolor = '<FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><B>'; my $c_end = '</b></font>'; $content = qq\| |dot| <A CLASS="light" HREF="|rootdir|/modsub">Moderate Submissions</a> ($tstories/$color$nstories$c_end/$ecolor$estories$c_end)<BR>\|; } ... all other lines remain the same ...




Editorial comments bug last remaining (none / 0) (#6)
by ip4noman on Tue Nov 26, 2002 at 08:45:57 AM PST

All seems to be working now except for the inability to post editorial comments. Still looking for an answer to this one.



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