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Scoop Ad Server Feature Requests
By hurstdog , Section Project []
Posted on Mon Sep 24, 2001 at 12:00:00 PM PST
Below is a quick write-up about a possible scoop ad server. Please read it, and let me know what you think. If there is anything you would like, let me know. Anything you don't, let me know.

Purpose
Right now scoop is a pretty complete system. Users can setup and run sites with (relative) ease. But if a user wants to sell ads from their scoop site, they have to custom code a system for accepting ads, choosing which to display, and keeping track of how many times each was displayed. This ad system would be built into scoop, and take care of all of that for the user.

Description/feature list

Ad Submission

There should be an easy way for potential advertisers to get their ads on a given scoop site. A page would be set up to take all of the necessary information for a given ad. Most likely split up into 2 pages, where in the first page, they would give contract name, email, phone, snail mail address, business name. On the second page they could upload the ad, any related code to go with it (javascript, java, flash, whatever) and submit the ad. Maybe not allow them to get to the second page w/out a valid email. Perhaps a user account on the site, tagged 'advertisor' that will add a link to a stats page about their submitted ads?

The site administrator would be able to set what type of ads to allow, as well as the messages to give to the potential advertisors. If you only allow gif/png/tiff/jpg ads, then only allow them an upload link. If you allow javascript, give them room for N chars in javascript (settable in a var), if you allow java as well, give them an upload link for the .java file. flash, for the .swf file, etc.

There will be a field for a url for the ad to link to, as well.

Advertisors should be able to submit as many ads as they want. They will get a short description detailing the pricing of ads on the site (set in a var :)

Also, it will tie into the redhat credit card verification system. http://www.redhat.com/software/ecommerce/ccvs/ to take the credit cards and payments. (opinions on how to bill? Through cron? by hand?)

Ad Display

Boxes will be used to display ads. Perhaps a syntax like the following: |BOX,ad_box,<banner or box>[,optionalAdvertisorID]| the optionalAdvertisorID would be for perpetual ads, like the case of the VA hosting logo on kuro5hin.org. There might be a need for other arguments as well, to that box, but that will be dealt with later.

Ads will be displayed in a round-robin fashion. They will be marked with the last time displayed, and the one with the oldest last time displayed, of a given type (banner or box), will be shown.

Ad Administration
  • Approval

    Ads will not start displaying on the site until a site administrator approves the ad. The administrator will be able to preview the ad, without running any of the code, or with running all of the associated code, at the admin's discretion.

  • Listings

    The administrator will have a list, similar to the Story List and Poll List, that will show each ad's ad id, the submitting business, a link to a preview page, the number of times its been shown, and a link to detailed information about it. Also a checkbox beside it, to enable or disable the ad (similar to the rdf admin tool). The ad info row will show up in a different color if the ad is pending.

    Admins will be able to sort ads by most shown, by ad id, by contact/business name, or by least shown.

  • Ad Detail

    In the ad detail page, admins will see all of the info in the listing for that ad, as well as CPM (cost per mil), estimated amount they owe, and links to other ads by the same business/contact.

    There will also be a small form, where the administrator can generate either an html or text report, of the amount of ads shown, and the cost to the advertiser for any date range given. Scoop will keep track of how much you've billed each advertisor, when, etc. Also will be able to give a summary of past billings, on a per month basis (i.e. Jan, 45000 impressions, $10000000 charged)

  • Variables

    Admistrators should be able to set:

    • The type of ads allowed to be submitted (java/flash/javascript/gif/etc)
    • Number of ads per advertisor
    • Max size of ad images
    • CPM
    • Allowed types to submit (banner, box, etc)
    • any others suggested

Details
Storage

Ads images will be stored in a specified place on the hard drive, similar to caching. Ad code will be stored in the database.

Caching

Ad id's and last view might have to be cached, or stored in a circular array, so as to alleviate strain on the database for each page view.

Anything else?

So what do you think? I welcome all input, please tell me what you like and don't like. What seems feasible or not. Features that you would like, and stuff that isn't necessary.

-Andrew

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"What seems feasible or not"? (1.00 / 1) (#1)
by cp on Mon Sep 24, 2001 at 08:35:35 PM PST

i.e. Jan, 45000 impressions, $10000000 charged
I'd say: not.



AdBusterBusters (3.00 / 1) (#2)
by sleeper22 on Thu Sep 27, 2001 at 03:04:01 AM PST

Your design looks great. A couple ideas...

AD TEMPLATES
We'll want to support various types of ads, such as banner or box (maybe 'square' is better since box has other meaning), each of which has characteristics of dimension, etc.

How about using blocks for this? One per ad type, like templates, so your box call would become |BOX,ad_box,<blockid>[,optionalAdvertisorID]|

blocks could be like

  • ad_square:
    <a href="|rootdir|/?op=ad;serve=|AD_ID|;url=|AD_URL|" onMouseOver="window.status='go to |AD_URL|'"><img src="|AD_SRC" height="300" width="300" alt="|AD_LINE1" border="0"/></a>

  • ad_banner_short:
    <a href="|rootdir|/?op=ad;serve=|AD_ID|;url=|AD_URL|" onMouseOver="window.status='go to |AD_URL|'"><img src="|AD_SRC" height="300" width="500" alt="|AD_LINE1" border="0"/></a>

  • ad_banner_unlimited:
    <a href="|rootdir|/?op=ad;serve=|AD_ID|;url=|AD_URL|" onMouseOver="window.status='go to |AD_URL|'"><img src="|AD_SRC" alt="|AD_LINE1" border="0"/></a>

  • ad_text:
    <table width="200" border="0" bgcolor="cccccc"><tr><td>
    <a href="|rootdir|/?op=ad;serve=|AD_ID|;url=|AD_URL|" onMouseOver="window.status='go to |AD_URL|'">|AD_TITLE|</a><br />
    |AD_LINE1|<br />
    |AD_LINE2|<br />
    </td></tr></table>

the fields used above are

  • id (since a URL can be used in >1 ad)
  • url
  • src (not used by text-only ads)
  • line1
  • line2 (possibly not used by image-only ads)

google appears to use

  • title (25 chars)
  • line1 and line2 (35 chars)
  • homepage_url (which is printed as text, but may be same as ad url)

Notice that you can also have a more complicated template that involves an image as well as several lines of text. Also, the same ad can potentially be served with multiple templates. For example if an ad is submitted with values for all those fields, then a text-only site viewing mode might serve the text-only version of the ad while the banner would otherwise be served.

If we want allow charging different prices for square versus banner, etc, there could be a tag in the template <meta cpm="200"/>. Then the ad_box would add this cpm value to the URL query string (the clicker needs to pass through scoop for a redirect before leaving the site anyway, to record the click --right?).

Of course another way to maintain meta data about the ad template would be to just pass the template name, and to keep it all together in a table, like a block that says
ad_square:cpm=200;
ad_banner:cpm=100;

APPROVAL
I like the idea of requiring ad submitters to log in as a user. We can then make a group right for submitting ads. An admin (who shouldn't have to personally preview ads) can choose various approaches, most sensibly:

  • Only certain users can submit ads, and they don't require approval. This would mean a VAR ad_approval_on = true, and a group right for the ad submitters. This approach sounds appropriate for sites that are only showing ads from a certain source, like intrasite ads (eg "have you taken our survey?").
  • Anyone can submit ads (tho they should be registered, to get authorization to view stats). However (unless maybe it's a really liberal porn site) ads must be approved by a user with the ad approval right before entering the queue.

For scalability, billing shouldn't be done by the admin either -- but by cron with the help of someone in the 'billing' group! :)
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The design looks good... a few other ideas (none / 0) (#6)
by hillct on Sun Nov 11, 2001 at 10:18:50 AM PST

I was thinking about what it takes to implement a robust full-functioning ad server that goes beyong the scope of scoop sites. I'm not sure if that's the goal here or not but here are a few ideas that would fall into that category:

The ad templates mentioned by an earlier poster are a good way to represent ads on the (advertiser) front end but there are basically two (maybe three) ways ads must be represented on the backend. First, as and image/link combination (simple case), and generic text (for the case of most templates).

Each backend representation needs to be handled differently, for example, the first case requires a simple click-thru recording mechanism and that's about it. The second case requires that each anchor within the text submitted by the advertiser be modified to include a pass-thru link for click-thru recording in order to facilitate CPC advertizing.

On the front end each of these backend representations can be served using three techniques: SSI (as in page pre-processing, which of course will generally be used on all scoop sites), Javascript, and IFRAMEs.

In addition, the first case of backend representations (basic link/image) there is an additional front-end representation that is simply a combination of an anchor and image tag.

Again I'm not sure if this is the direction you want to take the ad engine but it seems to me that it wouldn't be a substancial increase in the codebase and it would allow the ad engine to operate independantly of the larger scoop engine.

--CTH



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There are so many kinds of camping equipment. You can choose from any of these options, however what remain of utmost importance are the more important criteria of tent size (how many people would live in the tent), your budget, season and any other special feature you may need to enjoy a great trip.Before you purchase a family camping tent, answer these basic questions on how you will be using the tent and what type of camping you will be doing. kelty trail ridge According to the SGMA, over 42.



thule clipon high 9105 (none / 0) (#178)
by DzoniBaba on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 09:36:16 AM PST

Roof mounted bike racks are a popular choice for bike storage and transportation today. It can also be a problem when you are tired and forget your bike is up there and drive into a low ceiling area.Another negative to the roof rack system is that a bike transported there creates extra drag for the car and that reduces your gas mileage. thule clipon high 9105 review Also, drivers have been known to forget the bike is on top of their vehicle and they damage the bike when they drive into low ceiling areas like car ports or garages.



thule 754 (none / 0) (#179)
by DzoniBaba on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 04:05:17 AM PST

Select a high quality, attractive design that is easy to install, will compliment your setting, and encourage cyclists to use it. * Security - As many bicycles have 'quick release' front wheels, security of the wheel and frame is essential. thule 754xt How many bikes will you want to carry?



Crash Diets (none / 0) (#180)
by DzoniBaba on Mon Apr 29, 2013 at 03:05:27 PM PST

Crash s Before you know it you will be right back at where you started before you began your crash or worse, you might even weigh more! Initially, one can start by taking leisurely strolls in the mornings. Crash s Your body will adapt and your results won't last.



msr mutha hubba (none / 0) (#181)
by DzoniBaba on Fri May 03, 2013 at 03:30:29 PM PST

new balance 880 No matter what trail running shoe you choose, trail running is a fantastic way to spend some quality time with nature and increasing your fitness.Write down all of the details of your foot type. You may also find that experienced and well-trained salespeople, where available, will have opinions regarding some styles, brands, and types of shoes. Get the right size. new balance 880 As said earlier, shoes are built upon the premise that impact forces and pronation are what cause injuries. msr mutha hubba Army tents were widely used in Europe in the 17th and 18th century and now were still in used for rescuing and emergency purposes. An ideal camping tent is easy to carry, pitch, maintain, repair and move around with. click here To create a safe environment, the stowage of food stuffs in the camp site is equally important to keep wildlife from raiding them in the middle of the night.



Garmin GPSMAP 62S (none / 0) (#182)
by DzoniBaba on Sun May 05, 2013 at 05:59:09 AM PST

coleman instant tent If you camp from Spring, Summer and Fall, a 3-season camping tent will fill your needs. Recreational tents nowadays, make use of technology inside to fulfill the purpose of the camp. coleman instant tent Once you understand what you will need the tent for, you can begin to select one and make a purchase. OccupantsAnother classification method used for camping tents is the number of inhabitants. outwell vermont Leisurely tents can be heavy and when you are on foot, you want something that is very lightweight. The roof lines on four season tents are fully defined and very strong so water and snow cannot collect on top of the tent. outwell vermont It would be better if you choose a free standing backpacking tent because it is easy to set up and very flexible. Garmin GPSMAP 62S It is an ideal mid range GPS device. More and more GPS systems employ waypoints during navigation applications. Garmin GPSMAP 62S Depending on the watch model, the training data can be transmitted wirelessly from the watch to its accessories.



Cheap sleeping bags (none / 0) (#183)
by DzoniBaba on Wed May 08, 2013 at 07:41:38 AM PST

new balance 576 With that said, if a regular width shoe feels too restrictive in all areas aside from the length of the shoe, the "2E" width may be better for men ( and the "D" width may be better for women) for this wide foot. If your feet tend to sweat profusely, then you are aging your shoes faster -- because sweat can break down your shoe materials. WearIf you see uneven wear on the soles of your running shoes, then you should see a shoe expert immediately and get a different pair of shoes. new balance 576 Well, actually that's what happened to my brother. msr dragonfly That way, you can give the responsibility of carrying poles and rainflies to other people in the team and reduce your weight. We've never had that problem with our dome tent, but it is not a bad idea to get a seam sealer kit for yours, just in case. msr dragonfly What Can You Expect to Spend on a Large Camping Tent?Good question. charbroil gas grill The most important camping equipment that you must have is the camping tent. The sounds, the smell of the fresh air. charbroil gas grill That way you can make an informed decision about which large camping tent will be the best fit for your family.Camping is a great way to enjoy the great out of doors, explore new places or just enjoy getting away for a few days when you have a limited budget. Cheap sleeping bags If you are the type who loves to camp, then camping tents are something that you will definitely need. However, you may do well even with a smaller, lighter version of the camping tent that can easily be puckered into a backpack, in case you're more into solo camping. Weather Cheap sleeping bags They are usually constructed with four poles for excellent stability under heavy winds and snows.



memory foam pillow (none / 0) (#184)
by DzoniBaba on Thu May 09, 2013 at 05:49:39 AM PST

msr hubba Most camp sites offer electrical outlets where extra lighting sources can be implemented. Websites in general do a great job listing all the information you will need. visit us That is unless you get to your campsite after dusk, then you had better have packed your camping lanterns last! memory foam ow Try sleeping directly on top of the foam, rather than on a sheet covering it, to speed the process of breaking it in. - It should have an appropriate thickness. memory foam ow You have more models to choose from, various price categories and detailed descriptions, not to mention that the prices are cheaper since companies no longer have to rent spaces downtown and hire people to mess with your patience. Fast Delivery, Directly to Your Home - It used to be difficult or pricey to arrange for transportation and the delivery was never prompt or entirely safe.



dog training collars (none / 0) (#185)
by DzoniBaba on Thu May 09, 2013 at 05:04:45 PM PST

dog training collars Remember to work with your pet. There are several kinds of dog barking collars that are easy to get in the market these days. dog training collars These fences use an electric shock to keep pets from crossing a buried wire that runs the perimeter of the area that they are allowed to run on.



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